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CISCO Joins Google & Yahoo In Helping Chinks To Censor Internet, Detect & "Punish" Dissidents!
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Hairy Dope
2008-05-20 14:20:45 UTC
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It's well known that GOOGLE and YAHOO long ago, in cyber time, have
been enabling the Chinese Commies to thwart and disable their
citizens' access to the Internet, which as we know conveys news and
information that definitely would be harmful to the slavemasters' grip
on power over some 1.3 billion people.

And China -- being a potentially economic GIANT on a par with the U.S.
-- China cannot be ignored by the Ciscos of the world. Even if it
means assisting a nation whose history is replete with mass
extermination of its own people!

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"Cisco File Raises Censorship Concerns

"Document Implies Support for China"

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 20, 2008; D01



Cisco Systems, seeking to penetrate the Chinese market, prepared an
internal marketing presentation in which it appeared to be willing to
assist the Chinese Ministry of Public Security in its goal of
"combating Falun Gong evil cult and other hostile elements," according
to a translation of a document obtained by congressional
investigators.

The Cisco presentation will take center stage today at a hearing of
the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Global Internet Freedom Act,
which aims to defeat Internet censorship. The Washington Post obtained
a copy of the presentation, the authenticity of which was confirmed by
Cisco.

Falun Gong is a spiritual movement that has been harshly repressed by
the Chinese government, which claims the group is engaged in illegal
activities.

In its PowerPoint presentation, Cisco referred to the Chinese
government's project to control the Internet, including its use by
groups such as Falun Gong. After a slide referencing the crackdown on
Falun Gong, the next slide proclaims: "Cisco Opportunity: High start-
point planning, High standard construction, Technical training,
Security and operation maintenance."

A Cisco spokeswoman said the document was six years old and was
intended only for internal use by Cisco's Chinese employees, not as a
marketing tool to entice business from the Chinese government. "The
inclusion of the statement was not appropriate," said Jennifer Greeson
Dunn. "It was simply a restatement of the government's objectives. It
has nothing to do with Cisco's objectivity and Cisco's technologies.
We are very much for freedom of expression."

Still, Cisco has sold the Chinese Ministry of Public Security what
Greeson Dunn called "generic routing and switching technologies"
designed to make the communications infrastructure more efficient. She
said Cisco has not sold any equipment meant to "identify dissidents or
hostile elements."

Mark Chandler, senior vice president and general counsel for Cisco,
will testify at the hearing held by the human rights subcommittee of
the Senate Judiciary Committee, as will Google and Yahoo executives.
Lawmakers will seek to determine whether Cisco is just selling off-the-
shelf technology or is helping China apply that technology to control
dissent.

A committee staff member, speaking on condition of anonymity because
the hearing had not yet been held, said that despite Cisco's claims of
innocence, the presentation "raises troubling questions about what
they are doing." He noted that Cisco, which provides the hardware that
governments such as China use for firewalls and surveillance systems,
has regularly assured lawmakers that it does not know how its products
are used and does not market products for censorship. Now, he said,
"we don't know what the truth is."

The House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed the Global Online
Freedom Act to curtail the ability of U.S. companies to help foreign
governments censor the Internet. The bill, which has been endorsed by
many human rights groups and is squarely aimed at China as host of the
2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, makes it a crime for U.S. companies
to turn over personal information on their users if the government
intends to repress the citizens. But opponents criticize the
legislation as taking a simplistic approach to a complex international
issue, putting private companies in the middle of a dispute between
governments.

Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), who is chairing the hearing, has not
endorsed the House legislation but is seeking more information for
possibly proposing his own legislation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902661.html
Drooler
2008-05-20 16:11:08 UTC
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SAD TO REPORT, BUT SOME 52 PERCENT OF U.S. VOTERS STILL BELIEVE THEIR
WHITE HOUSE WAR CRIMINAL IS A "GOOD" PRESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH POLLS SHOW
HIS APPROVAL RATING AT 27 PERCENT.

WHY?

Because the red-staters who twice voted for their Nincompoop-In-Chief
are still as uneducated and misinformed as they were in 2000 and 2004.

Duped, and benightedly so.
RussellT
2008-05-20 19:01:34 UTC
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Post by Drooler
SAD TO REPORT, BUT SOME 52 PERCENT OF U.S. VOTERS STILL BELIEVE THEIR
WHITE HOUSE WAR CRIMINAL IS A "GOOD" PRESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH POLLS SHOW
HIS APPROVAL RATING AT 27 PERCENT.
WHY?
Because the red-staters who twice voted for their Nincompoop-In-Chief
are still as uneducated and misinformed as they were in 2000 and 2004.
Duped, and benightedly so.
I will tell you the obvious:
1. Business, by it's nature is not loyal to any country. It's nature is to
increase profits. This is not a criticism.
2. It is extremely unlikely that any of the candidates will do much with
this issue, or will even want to.
3. Obama will be President, and he will weaken the US both economically and
militarily, because both he, the majority of Americans, and the US media are
very naive in both areas.
rst0wxyz
2008-05-20 19:22:56 UTC
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Post by RussellT
Post by Drooler
SAD TO REPORT, BUT SOME 52 PERCENT OF U.S. VOTERS STILL BELIEVE THEIR
WHITE HOUSE WAR CRIMINAL IS A "GOOD" PRESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH POLLS SHOW
HIS APPROVAL RATING AT 27 PERCENT.
WHY?
Because the red-staters who twice voted for their Nincompoop-In-Chief
are still as uneducated and misinformed as they were in 2000 and 2004.
Duped, and benightedly so.
1. Business, by it's nature is not loyal to any country. It's nature is to
increase profits. This is not a criticism.
2. It is extremely unlikely that any of the candidates will do much with
this issue, or will even want to.
3. Obama will be President, and he will weaken the US both economically and
militarily, because both he, the majority of Americans, and the US media are
very naive in both areas.
Obama can't do any worse than George Worthless Bush has done so far.
fugettaboutit
2008-05-20 19:23:12 UTC
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It *is* interesting that Cisco would chuck it's ethics when it makes
much ado about "...empowering the Human Network." There is a difference
between filling a business need and being an opportunistic
bottom-feeder. In this situation, while I don't agree with censorship,
the bottom-feeding approach that'll be justified by "capitalism" is an
area Cisco shouldn't play. The right thing would be to take the
high-ground and sell gear and services without actively supporting a
political or religious cause. But then again, Cisco has a history of
questionable ethics in dealing with even their direct customers.

Something about leopards and spots comes to mind.
Post by RussellT
Post by Drooler
SAD TO REPORT, BUT SOME 52 PERCENT OF U.S. VOTERS STILL BELIEVE THEIR
WHITE HOUSE WAR CRIMINAL IS A "GOOD" PRESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH POLLS SHOW
HIS APPROVAL RATING AT 27 PERCENT.
WHY?
Because the red-staters who twice voted for their Nincompoop-In-Chief
are still as uneducated and misinformed as they were in 2000 and 2004.
Duped, and benightedly so.
1. Business, by it's nature is not loyal to any country. It's nature is to
increase profits. This is not a criticism.
2. It is extremely unlikely that any of the candidates will do much with
this issue, or will even want to.
3. Obama will be President, and he will weaken the US both economically and
militarily, because both he, the majority of Americans, and the US media are
very naive in both areas.
MissMiss
2008-05-21 21:36:43 UTC
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May 22, 2008, Fueuyeong Province --



Chinese Minister of Information, Industry, Wang Xudong, told a group
of visiting Sudanese journalists here today that there is no truth to
reports that China censors and denies Internet access to its
citizens.


"I do not know what is this "googles" or "yaboos" or "ciskoz," Wang
said. These stories are false, I can attest.


"Our people have absolute free access to the Internet," he insisted,
"as long as they do not post slanderous accounts of Communist
atrocities or governmental coverups of earthquake details. Which we
do not do, anyway. We are a free democratic republic, like the
United
States. Gone are the days when abusers of Internet privileges were
imprisoned and tortured to death. I know, because I personally
attended to the last enemy of the people for his outrageous posting
that Chinese parents in China routinely drown or strangle about 7
million girl babies a year. Outrageous! The actual number is closer
to 5 million."


Wang fielded questions from the journalists, although the session was
cut short when he was asked the whereabouts of the "comfort girls"
the
journalists said they were promised as part of the visit.
Igor Alexander
2008-05-28 05:44:26 UTC
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:01:34 GMT, "RussellT"
Post by RussellT
3. Obama will be President, and he will weaken the US both economically and
militarily, because both he, the majority of Americans, and the US media are
very naive in both areas.
1. I highly doubt that Obama will be President. McCain is more likely
to be the next President, simply because he is more likely to further
the neo-cons' war aims in the Middle East, and hence will receive full
support from the Israel lobby and the U.S. mass media, the latter
being thoroughly in Jewish hands.

2. The U.S. mass media is FAR from being naive, and is far from being
neutral. It's the U.S. mass media more than anything that will
determine the outcome of the election, as it does with all elections.
--
http://igoralexander.wordpress.com/
TD
2008-07-02 07:37:36 UTC
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Post by Igor Alexander
On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:01:34 GMT, "RussellT"
Post by RussellT
3. Obama will be President, and he will weaken the US both economically and
militarily, because both he, the majority of Americans, and the US media are
very naive in both areas.
1. I highly doubt that Obama will be President. McCain is more likely
to be the next President, simply because he is more likely to further
the neo-cons' war aims in the Middle East, and hence will receive full
support from the Israel lobby and the U.S. mass media, the latter
being thoroughly in Jewish hands.
2. The U.S. mass media is FAR from being naive, and is far from being
neutral. It's the U.S. mass media more than anything that will
determine the outcome of the election, as it does with all elections.
--http://igoralexander.wordpress.com/
Best remedy against censorship, filtering on the web: VPN. I'm using
http://vpn.ducbase.com.
a***@my-deja.com
2008-07-02 11:10:00 UTC
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It's sad to see Chinese commies have to use Cisco, Yahoo, Google etc
to "exterminate" its own people as you claimed here, they should just
copy US government's "native American genocide".

http://www.wicocomico-indian-nation.com/pages/genocide.html
Post by Hairy Dope
It's well known that GOOGLE and YAHOO long ago, in cyber time, have
been enabling the Chinese Commies to thwart and disable their
citizens' access to the Internet, which as we know conveys news and
information that definitely would be harmful to the slavemasters' grip
on power over some 1.3 billion people.
And China -- being a potentially economic GIANT on a par with the U.S.
-- China cannot be ignored by the Ciscos of the world.  Even if it
means assisting a nation whose history is replete with mass
extermination of its own people!
------------------------------
"Cisco File Raises Censorship Concerns
"Document Implies Support for China"
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 20, 2008; D01
Cisco Systems, seeking to penetrate the Chinese market, prepared an
internal marketing presentation in which it appeared to be willing to
assist the Chinese Ministry of Public Security in its goal of
"combating Falun Gong evil cult and other hostile elements," according
to a translation of a document obtained by congressional
investigators.
The Cisco presentation will take center stage today at a hearing of
the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Global Internet Freedom Act,
which aims to defeat Internet censorship. The Washington Post obtained
a copy of the presentation, the authenticity of which was confirmed by
Cisco.
Falun Gong is a spiritual movement that has been harshly repressed by
the Chinese government, which claims the group is engaged in illegal
activities.
In its PowerPoint presentation, Cisco referred to the Chinese
government's project to control the Internet, including its use by
groups such as Falun Gong. After a slide referencing the crackdown on
Falun Gong, the next slide proclaims: "Cisco Opportunity: High start-
point planning, High standard construction, Technical training,
Security and operation maintenance."
A Cisco spokeswoman said the document was six years old and was
intended only for internal use by Cisco's Chinese employees, not as a
marketing tool to entice business from the Chinese government. "The
inclusion of the statement was not appropriate," said Jennifer Greeson
Dunn. "It was simply a restatement of the government's objectives. It
has nothing to do with Cisco's objectivity and Cisco's technologies.
We are very much for freedom of expression."
Still, Cisco has sold the Chinese Ministry of Public Security what
Greeson Dunn called "generic routing and switching technologies"
designed to make the communications infrastructure more efficient. She
said Cisco has not sold any equipment meant to "identify dissidents or
hostile elements."
Mark Chandler, senior vice president and general counsel for Cisco,
will testify at the hearing held by the human rights subcommittee of
the Senate Judiciary Committee, as will Google and Yahoo executives.
Lawmakers will seek to determine whether Cisco is just selling off-the-
shelf technology or is helping China apply that technology to control
dissent.
A committee staff member, speaking on condition of anonymity because
the hearing had not yet been held, said that despite Cisco's claims of
innocence, the presentation "raises troubling questions about what
they are doing." He noted that Cisco, which provides the hardware that
governments such as China use for firewalls and surveillance systems,
has regularly assured lawmakers that it does not know how its products
are used and does not market products for censorship. Now, he said,
"we don't know what the truth is."
The House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed the Global Online
Freedom Act to curtail the ability of U.S. companies to help foreign
governments censor the Internet. The bill, which has been endorsed by
many human rights groups and is squarely aimed at China as host of the
2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, makes it a crime for U.S. companies
to turn over personal information on their users if the government
intends to repress the citizens. But opponents criticize the
legislation as taking a simplistic approach to a complex international
issue, putting private companies in the middle of a dispute between
governments.
Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), who is chairing the hearing, has not
endorsed the House legislation but is seeking more information for
possibly proposing his own legislation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR200...
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